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First Restoration - Penn Yan Cartopper.

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous' started by rangerkevin, Apr 8, 2011.

  1. rangerkevin

    rangerkevin LOVES Wooden Canoes

    So I finally took the plunge and started my first restoration. It is a Penn Yan Cartopper WXH 9038 or 9039. I took delivery of the boat last Sunday and began the process. The boat had some rot around the transom and bow from being stored upsidedown. I started the process of dismantling the rotten pieces. I tried to keep them intact as possible to use them as a guide when it comes down to making the new pieces. Outside gunwales have both been removed as well as pieces from the top of the transom. I hit up the local lumber yard for a 14 ft. board yesterday. I milled the 2 new gunwales and routed the notch and clamped them in place. I'm going to be able to splice in the last 10 inches or so of both inwales as the rest of them is pretty serviceable.

    My plan is to screw the gunwales in place and get the transome pieces placed back as well. Once I get that done, I plan to remove the keel and get the canvas completely removed. I then will strip the interior. That is solid and should be pretty straightforward to do. From what I can see, there should be no surprises.

    Once I finish I then plan to recanvas the boat. I am a bit scared of this process. Anyone in the Hudson Valley (NY) that would show a rookie the ropes? ;) I have ordered the canvas, filler, and tacks to complete this from Stewart River. Alex was helpful in figuring out what I needed.

    I'll attach the photos and will update as progress is made. Any suggestins / hints along the way well appreciated. Wish me luck! :D
     
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    rangerkevin

    rangerkevin LOVES Wooden Canoes

    Before pictures
     

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    continuing....
     

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    rangerkevin

    rangerkevin LOVES Wooden Canoes

    last one until more progress is made.
     

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  5. goldencub

    goldencub Carpenter

    Kevin - those Penn Yan Cartoppers are awfully good-looking boats, in my opinion, with great lines. Yours looks like a nice, pretty, and solid example. I did a Sebago cartopper a couple of years ago, and pondered, worried and sweated over the canvassing job for days. It turned out to be the easiest part of the restoration! Just make a note of where the Penn Yan folks started the slit in the canvass for the bow area, and note how they handled the canvass fold-overs at the stern and you'll be fine. I watch the Rollin Thurlow webcam site, and he can cut the canvas to the correct length for a canoe and about three hours later he will have tacked it on and have even applied the first filler coat!!! Yes, he's done a thousand of them, but I think you will get my drift - it ain't that difficult. By the way, you might consider stainless steel staples instead of tacks. Tacks require three hands - one to stretch the canvas, one to hold the tack and one to hold the hammer. With staples, you can eliminate that second hand. Good luck with the great project. Al
     
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    rangerkevin

    rangerkevin LOVES Wooden Canoes

    So I did quite a bit of work on the wood the past 2 days. I have the gunwales all attached and all the workaround the transom is done. It was a bit of trial and error (mostly error) getting everything to fit. I'm pretty happy with what I've done so far. I got the canvas totally removed today and will be able to use most of the keel. I will scarf in the last foot or so as it is pretty well rotten. The planking is very solid thankfully. Very difficult removing all those soft brass screws with years of paint filling in the grooves! I plan on removing the seats next and stripping the interior. I cleaned a lot of loose varnish today. Some photos of the progress.
     

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    until more progress....
     

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  8. goldencub

    goldencub Carpenter

    That's going to be one good-looking boat!! What sort of motor will you hang on it? Al
     
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    rangerkevin

    rangerkevin LOVES Wooden Canoes

    Thanks. I sure hope so! :) I hope to find a vintage '40's or '50's outboard - about 3 hp.
     
  10. kurtloup

    kurtloup Curious about Wooden Canoes

    You are doing a great job. Can't wait to see it when you finish.

    Kurt
     
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    rangerkevin

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    Thanks! Slow going on the stripping. About 5 feet stripped...7 to go! 51 ribs and all the half ribs to clean between = long hours and sore back!
     
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    rangerkevin

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    Well, boat has been completely stripped and stained to match the original look. Not perfect, but still pretty good looking. Had a "stain mishap" during the staining process. Had the can of stain in the boat and the boat rocked spilling over half the can. Not good! I was able to get most of it soaked up, but left a pretty nice stain on the garage floor were the stain went through the boat! Oops! Minus some of the outer hull being stained, I think I survived unscathed.
     

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    rangerkevin

    rangerkevin LOVES Wooden Canoes

    By the way...Does anyone know where I might get a replacement decal for the deck?
     
  14. Greg Nolan

    Greg Nolan enthusiast

    Hey -- another stain on the garage floor -- just "patina." Nice looking job -- I really like the little quarter ribs on either side of the bow stem.
     
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    rangerkevin

    rangerkevin LOVES Wooden Canoes

    It will go great with the red paint from my canoe! ;)
     
  16. David McDaniel

    David McDaniel Canoe Dude

    Penn Yan deck decals are available from Doug Nichols.

    All I have is a phone number for him; 315-595-2576

    later.....Dave
     
  17. Gil Cramer

    Gil Cramer The wooden canoe Shop, Inc.

    A complete set of decals has the deck decal and 2 side decals that go slightly ahead of the transom in line with the red stripe 2" below the rails.
     
  18. David McDaniel

    David McDaniel Canoe Dude

    Good point Gil, Doug also has the side decals!

    And speaking of Gil, where were you last weekend? You were missed!
     
  19. rowboy

    rowboy Curious about Wooden Canoes

    Check out my small small world post under miscellaneous. I just picked up original Penn Yan Boat oars, 6 1/2 feet long, with leather and oarlocks attached, at a local flea market. Perfectly legible labels, with some honest age showing. All I need is oars, my boat is a thompson take a long, a pair of 7 footers would suit me fine. If they would help authenticate your boat we should talk
     
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    rangerkevin

    rangerkevin LOVES Wooden Canoes

    Well, things have been moving along and since I have last posted. 3 coats of spar varnish now grace the interior of the boat! Yesterday I began canvassing with a couple extra pair of hands! Very helpful indeed. This was my first experience with canvassing and it was great to have others that have done it before. It seemed to go pretty straightforward until I reached the bow! Yikes, I had a time trying to remove all the bulges and bunches and I'm sure that there are little tricks and secrets to it, but I was alone at that point and only had my own brain to pick, and that was about picked clean! I did manage to get one side done last night and the other side today with the transom to finish the canvassing. Ready to apply the filler now! Please don't be too critical with the canvassing job. It was my first time with it and I know I have a lot to learn. I think it came together pretty well for a newbie! :)
     

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